35 years of excellent teaching

Dr. Erich Meister has been at ETH Zurich for 40 years. For 35 of those, he has successfully further developed the PC practical course and always put a lot of energy into teaching – whether to train students or curious kids at open lab days. Now he is retiring and handing over the reins to Dr. Takuya Segawa. In an interview with Nonô Saramago (editor of Exsikkator), he talks about his times at ETH, chances, programming languages, calligraphy and paradise. We say thank you with a video. 

by Nonô Saramago, Léona Dorries, Samira Neff (Adaptation: J.Ecker)

This is a shortened version of the interview. The unabridged version first appeared under the title "Dr. Erich Meister im Gespräch" in the July 2023 issue of Exsikkator (Title: Toleranz), the magazine of the Association of Chemistry Students (VCS), and was kindly provided to us by the editorial team.

You have been employed at ETH Zurich for 40 years. Why have you stayed so long?

It just happened. I was in the final year of my doctoral thesis when the institute offered me the opportunity to take over the PC Practical Course. I originally had planned to do a research stay in Moscow. I already had everything I needed, including a visa, but it didn't work out for other reasons, and I didn't try again.

Erich Meister as a doctoral student together with a colleague
Erich Meister as a doctoral student (left) together with Jerzy Sepiol 1984 (Photo: Erich Meister).

What was your best experience here at ETH Zurich?

My best experience was that I realized most of what I set out to do. I had a lot of freedom. One of the great things about ETH is that the courses have no curriculum. Amazingly, this works well and the lecturers don't just think: "I'll do a minimum because I don't have any rules". I don't think you’ll ever experience anything like that in your studies here. That's a good sign, and the students certainly contribute to this atmosphere.

What was it like when you took over the practical course?

When I did my doctorate, there was usually a postdoc or a doctoral student who had to organize the PC Practical Course. Because they needed more time, they only took care of the organization, not of the content. It was a lot of effort, but still the result could have been better. The students complained about the assistants, the assistants complained about the lack of instructions, and the technicians complained about the inadequate maintenance of the equipment. So, the institute management decided that someone had to be responsible for the practical course full-time – a big decision because it costs a lot of money. My doctoral supervisor came to me and asked if I would be interested in a life position. I was probably the right person at the right time.

Erich Meister at his farewell apéro with family portraits in the background.
Erich Meister at his farewell apéro (Photo: J. Ecker, ETHZ)

That's life, isn’t it? Being in the right place at the right time ...

I liked the mix of chemistry and physics. I also became a father at the beginning of my fifth semester, and a few years later, I had my second child. It was good to have a job for life. My wife wasn't unhappy that I didn't suddenly say things like, "We're going to do a postdoc in the USA." or something like that. It was a good fit.

You talked about the need for more instructions. Is that why you wrote a course book?

When I took over the PC Practical Course, everything was written on a typewriter and had to be photocopied. Nobody had a computer. I had to compile all the scripts and take them to a print shop in the HG [ETH main building]. In the end, I had a bicycle trailer full of paper and pushed it from CHN to HG and back. The problem with the typewriter was that you constantly had to rewrite and reprint large sections of text as soon as you made any changes. I was often busy with this. As a novelty, I wanted a course book illustrated with measurement results from our students or me. This meant less paper and, for me, peace of mind for a few years before the next revision.

Meister with a farewell gift from the VCS - a big R like the programming language R (Photo: VCS, D-CHAB)
Meister with a farewell gift from the VCS (Photo: VCS, D-CHAB)

You are known among students as the one who introduces everyone to R. But you were here before R and PCs even existed. Why R?

As students, we encountered computers for the first time in the PC Practical Course. The programs were still stored on punch tape. The first IBM PCs arrived at the beginning of the 80s. A lot of money was invested, so our practical course was computerized early on. This raised the question of how to analyze the results – everyone used a different tool. Then a student asked about the programming language R. I checked it out and thought, wow, it's open source, has interesting data structures, produces perfect graphical representations, and isn't that difficult to learn. Nevertheless, integrating R into the course took a long time. I was constantly explaining things. That's better today. Today, as a scientist, you must know a programming language, no matter which one. Programming is a skill that is increasingly in demand.

Takuya Segawa will now take over your position. How is the transition going?

Very good. I am convinced that Takuya will manage this practical course very well. He has the great advantage of having a broad background. Last year, he was also able to try out various experiments. Much has already been prepared that he can take over and build on. I must thank our institute for hiring and paying someone a year in advance to do this work alongside me. This cannot be taken for granted.

Do you already have plans for what you want to do in your retirement?

Yes, of course. I want to work more in calligraphy again and will attend more courses, including international ones. Apart from that, I'm not making any big plans; things always turn out differently anyway. The last few years have shown that you have to be flexible.

Collage built from Erich Meister's calligraphy artworks
Various calligraphy artworks created by Erich Meister (Compilation). 

Can you tell us more about calligraphy?

I have always loved looking at old books, scripts, and handwriting. At some point, my wife sent me to a calligraphy course. In the last lesson, a professional calligrapher came to visit. She wrote English calligraphy, which is characterized by very fine lines and broad sweeping strokes. As she wrote, it scratched and splashed, creating very decorative effects. It was great to watch. I still attend courses led by her today. I have also attended courses with other calligraphers, some of whom are now world-famous. I want to cultivate a hobby that challenges me and has a small CO2 footprint, and I want to do something with my hands. I want to be able to write the script myself and develop it further.

“Calligraphy is visually beautiful. Dürer once wrote: "We like to see beautiful things, then it gives us pleasure." But you must practice and make mistakes. That has to do with self-criticism, and fortunately, some calligraphers have criticized me a lot. You learn a lot that way.”
Dr. Erich Meister (Picture: calligraphy piece by Erich Meister)

Nowadays, I occasionally do commissioned work, but mostly, I do cards for birthdays or Christmas or such things. That gives me pleasure. It is not great art, but something that is an individual, unique piece. And I also love receiving them from other calligraphers

What are your thoughts when you leave now?

It was a good time, but I also feel it’s a good time to leave. Even more so because I have a successor. I'm also pleased that we have a workshop and have had a very good electronics technician for the practical course for a few years now: Tiago. It all works without a lot of bureaucracy. Even people who have worked in famous places abroad say it’s paradise here.

Finally, do you have a tip for young people in Academia?

Enjoy doing what interests you, and don’t think you won't need this or that. Life is unpredictable. When I started studying, I had no idea what direction I would take. Something happens, and suddenly, everything is different. Most doctoral students would probably say that it is a coincidence that they are here at ETH now. They simply took advantage of life's opportunities. My advice is not to always think about your career. It comes automatically when you are committed.

young chemists wth Erich Meister in the lab
Young chemists with Erich Meister in the lab learning more about batteries (Photo: J. Ecker, ETHZ)

3 min. about 35 years - a talk with friends & colleagues 

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A talk with Takuya Segawa, Urs Hollenstein, Mercede Azizbaig Mohajer and Tiago Ferreira das Neves (Video: Julia Ecker, ETHZ)

Erich Meister studied chemistry at ETH Zurich and obtained his doctorate in 1988 in the group of Prof. U.P. Wild. He was awarded the ETH medal for his work. From 1988 to 2024, Erich Meister led the physical chemistry practical courses at the D-CHAB Physical Chemistry Laboratory. He also gave the lectures "Chemistry for Physicists" and "Chemistry for Computational Sciences". In 2008, he was honored with the Golden Owl for excellent teaching. Erich Meister also demonstrated his talent for teaching in numerous laboratory workshops for the public, in which he always participated with great enthusiasm. Erich Meister is married, has two daughters and three grandchildren.

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